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		<title>By: jeremy m</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 01:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow.  where do I start...

&quot;Are Some Political Parties More ‘Holy’ Than Others?
No. Political parties are inherently godless. Parties are not concerned with God or Faith, they are concerned with power, control, influence, branding and money. &quot;

Parties, like purported &quot;evil corporations&quot; are made up of people.  They are inanimate, unfeeling, and are not human.  power, control, influence, branding, and money concerns are all those of the people who run the party.  let me say it again, &quot;the PEOPLE who run the party&quot;.  Please note this for later.


&quot;But I’m a Business Owner, Is my Wealth Going to be Redistributed?
No. The rich will continue to be rich.&quot;

Very true.  Wealth cannot be legally taken from the individual, personal property rights still have enough standing with the courts to keep this from happening.  however, the question was never &quot;will my wealth be redistributed&quot; as much as &quot;will my income be redistributed&quot;.  

&quot;Our financial system has collapsed due in large part to unregulated greed and corruption, and remember that the Republicans (as well as many Democrats) supported deregulation up until the collapse.&quot;

This financial collapse began with liberal policies under Clinton, and among the folks over at freddie and fannie (coincidentally, the new US Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, was on the board at Freddie Mac, a board that was later charged with failing to oversee operations there by OFEO...operations that indeed predicated the situation that was, yes, compounded by deregulation, a result almost unseen in the 90s before the real estate run-up and run-down).  Deregulation in a healthy, unfettered free-market system works.  In a market system influenced by non-market forces, such as government intervention (read C.R.A), many factors can unhinge even a well-oiled machine.

Gay marriage is being left to the states until it is not.  Abortion possibly would have been left to the states, had it not been forced by lawsuit and appeal to the Supreme Court.  When this particular issue is forced (as it almost certainly will be), the case will ultimately be decided for the states in the Supreme Court.  Like many have already commented, the President appoints judges to the land&#039;s highest court.  Even then, right or wrong is, thankfully, not decided by the Courts...the courts judge based on the Code of Federal Regulation, then as to congruence with the Constitution of the United States.  Right or Wrong has little to do with it, unfortunately.

&quot;Is Barack Obama a Socialist?&quot;

You are correct, the Democrat party is not the Socialist party.  Good job.  We&#039;re talking philosophy here.  Read up on your Marxist literature, and then compare it to Obama&#039;s statements and affiliations not just now, but in the 90s.  Heck, check out other Democrats and compare their statements to Marxism (ahem...maxine waters).  Oh, and just for kicks, why don&#039;t you try to find a Republican that in philosophy sounds like a Democrat who sounds like a Marxist...that would be a frivolous exercise...

The government, regardless which party is in charge, is charged by the Constitution with providing protection to the American people.  While I do agree that our freedoms and protection against radical islamic terrorists are at some points at odds, please realize that those held are not American citizens, and thus not protected by the Constitution of the United States.

&quot;I Hate Big Government, so I Vote Republican&quot;
I have to agree with you here on many points.  However, the dems have controlled the checkbook (Congress) for the last 2 years.  See last comments above.

The real issue here, the way I see it, should not be red vs. blue, or dem vs. rep.  It should be the points that 80% of Americans agree upon, and a return to the Constitution as the guiding document in our society.  Truly, free people in free markets have led to the most powerful nation the world has ever seen...if America ceases to produce, to be the great beacon it has been for the last 200 years, the world will become pretty bleak indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow.  where do I start&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Are Some Political Parties More ‘Holy’ Than Others?<br />
No. Political parties are inherently godless. Parties are not concerned with God or Faith, they are concerned with power, control, influence, branding and money. &#8221;</p>
<p>Parties, like purported &#8220;evil corporations&#8221; are made up of people.  They are inanimate, unfeeling, and are not human.  power, control, influence, branding, and money concerns are all those of the people who run the party.  let me say it again, &#8220;the PEOPLE who run the party&#8221;.  Please note this for later.</p>
<p>&#8220;But I’m a Business Owner, Is my Wealth Going to be Redistributed?<br />
No. The rich will continue to be rich.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.  Wealth cannot be legally taken from the individual, personal property rights still have enough standing with the courts to keep this from happening.  however, the question was never &#8220;will my wealth be redistributed&#8221; as much as &#8220;will my income be redistributed&#8221;.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Our financial system has collapsed due in large part to unregulated greed and corruption, and remember that the Republicans (as well as many Democrats) supported deregulation up until the collapse.&#8221;</p>
<p>This financial collapse began with liberal policies under Clinton, and among the folks over at freddie and fannie (coincidentally, the new US Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, was on the board at Freddie Mac, a board that was later charged with failing to oversee operations there by OFEO&#8230;operations that indeed predicated the situation that was, yes, compounded by deregulation, a result almost unseen in the 90s before the real estate run-up and run-down).  Deregulation in a healthy, unfettered free-market system works.  In a market system influenced by non-market forces, such as government intervention (read C.R.A), many factors can unhinge even a well-oiled machine.</p>
<p>Gay marriage is being left to the states until it is not.  Abortion possibly would have been left to the states, had it not been forced by lawsuit and appeal to the Supreme Court.  When this particular issue is forced (as it almost certainly will be), the case will ultimately be decided for the states in the Supreme Court.  Like many have already commented, the President appoints judges to the land&#8217;s highest court.  Even then, right or wrong is, thankfully, not decided by the Courts&#8230;the courts judge based on the Code of Federal Regulation, then as to congruence with the Constitution of the United States.  Right or Wrong has little to do with it, unfortunately.</p>
<p>&#8220;Is Barack Obama a Socialist?&#8221;</p>
<p>You are correct, the Democrat party is not the Socialist party.  Good job.  We&#8217;re talking philosophy here.  Read up on your Marxist literature, and then compare it to Obama&#8217;s statements and affiliations not just now, but in the 90s.  Heck, check out other Democrats and compare their statements to Marxism (ahem&#8230;maxine waters).  Oh, and just for kicks, why don&#8217;t you try to find a Republican that in philosophy sounds like a Democrat who sounds like a Marxist&#8230;that would be a frivolous exercise&#8230;</p>
<p>The government, regardless which party is in charge, is charged by the Constitution with providing protection to the American people.  While I do agree that our freedoms and protection against radical islamic terrorists are at some points at odds, please realize that those held are not American citizens, and thus not protected by the Constitution of the United States.</p>
<p>&#8220;I Hate Big Government, so I Vote Republican&#8221;<br />
I have to agree with you here on many points.  However, the dems have controlled the checkbook (Congress) for the last 2 years.  See last comments above.</p>
<p>The real issue here, the way I see it, should not be red vs. blue, or dem vs. rep.  It should be the points that 80% of Americans agree upon, and a return to the Constitution as the guiding document in our society.  Truly, free people in free markets have led to the most powerful nation the world has ever seen&#8230;if America ceases to produce, to be the great beacon it has been for the last 200 years, the world will become pretty bleak indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, please note that I am not taking a stance on the legality of abortion in this article, I&#039;m simply saying that my Evangelical friends &amp; family shouldn&#039;t use it as the primary decision making tool when voting for candidates. My reasoning behind this is that, in the end, the philosophical climate in the country will decide whether abortion is legal or illegal. If the great majority thinks that it is wrong, it will end, otherwise, it will continue. In other words, it is a system that is bigger than the president&#039;s preference. I also agree that abortions will occur regardless of legality.

I don&#039;t think that it will ever be outlawed, though based on technological progress I think it will end for the most part. Here is my theory:

By default, humans are born with their reproductive ability &quot;turned on.&quot; Technology in the 20th century gave us the option of turning our reproductive system off. However, the state of being &quot;off&quot; is made conditional by circumstances. At some point soon, technology will probably create a system where reproduction is turned off by default, and can be conditionally turned on when someone wants to have children. I&#039;m dabbling a bit in science fiction here, but I think it is logical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, please note that I am not taking a stance on the legality of abortion in this article, I&#8217;m simply saying that my Evangelical friends &#038; family shouldn&#8217;t use it as the primary decision making tool when voting for candidates. My reasoning behind this is that, in the end, the philosophical climate in the country will decide whether abortion is legal or illegal. If the great majority thinks that it is wrong, it will end, otherwise, it will continue. In other words, it is a system that is bigger than the president&#8217;s preference. I also agree that abortions will occur regardless of legality.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that it will ever be outlawed, though based on technological progress I think it will end for the most part. Here is my theory:</p>
<p>By default, humans are born with their reproductive ability &#8220;turned on.&#8221; Technology in the 20th century gave us the option of turning our reproductive system off. However, the state of being &#8220;off&#8221; is made conditional by circumstances. At some point soon, technology will probably create a system where reproduction is turned off by default, and can be conditionally turned on when someone wants to have children. I&#8217;m dabbling a bit in science fiction here, but I think it is logical.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 18:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse N. and any other person&#039;s against abortion. 

Please answer me this.........
If we outlaw abortion, what ramifications do you propose for the individual that then has an abortion? (it will happen)  What will the death penalty states due?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse N. and any other person&#8217;s against abortion. </p>
<p>Please answer me this&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<br />
If we outlaw abortion, what ramifications do you propose for the individual that then has an abortion? (it will happen)  What will the death penalty states due?</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 07:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cori: Elections bring out the worst in people, don&#039;t they?

Jan &amp; John: I&#039;m glad you have found this article to be useful. It is okay to disagree about politics, but it isn&#039;t okay when our friends and family judge us because we prefer a certain candidate over another.

James &amp; Matt: As I mentioned, 6 terms of Republican presidency have not been able to &quot;align the stars&quot; just perfectly enough so that the Supreme Court would have the right balance of people to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Plus, Supreme Court appointments must be approved by the Senate. Even if the majority was pro-life, we have no assurance that they would even revisit the ruling.

You want a policy struck down, so you&#039;re choosing a person who will choose another person who will then have to decide in concert with 8 others whether to strike that policy down or not. In the meantime, the person you&#039;re choosing (the President) is making all the major choices for the nation, which includes equally &quot;un-righteous&quot; things, such as torturing prisoners, waging war, holding people hostage, etc.

The Supreme Court can only interpret the Constitution, they cannot add or subtract from it. In 1973 they established that limiting abortion was unconstitutional. If abortion is to be ended in the US, it isn&#039;t so simple as picking the pro-life candidate. That has never worked. What would have to happen is a great majority of Americans would have to agree that the procedure is wrong, instead of being split.

Let me say that again: Americans would have to agree, in great majority, that abortion should be ended.

In a climate that is unfavorable to abortion, abortion would end. It might end in the form of Republican OR Democrat state legislators who are pro-life (because in this hypothetical situation the majority of Americans are pro-life, therefore the legislators would mirror their constituents). Those legislators would then simply amend the Constitution to say, &quot;Life begins at conception,&quot; or whatever wording works best. Or, the Federal Congress could mirror its hypothetical pro-life electorate and enact the process of creating an amendment. Remember, neither of these things involves the President or the Supreme Court, but both need a substantial majority of the population&#039;s support.

In other words, persuasion and a common agreement are key, not the choice between McCain and Obama.

The more likely scenario is that we will, at some point soon, be at a point technologically that abortion will no longer be needed. You can use your imagination on how that might work, but I don&#039;t think it is far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cori: Elections bring out the worst in people, don&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>Jan &#038; John: I&#8217;m glad you have found this article to be useful. It is okay to disagree about politics, but it isn&#8217;t okay when our friends and family judge us because we prefer a certain candidate over another.</p>
<p>James &#038; Matt: As I mentioned, 6 terms of Republican presidency have not been able to &#8220;align the stars&#8221; just perfectly enough so that the Supreme Court would have the right balance of people to overturn Roe vs. Wade. Plus, Supreme Court appointments must be approved by the Senate. Even if the majority was pro-life, we have no assurance that they would even revisit the ruling.</p>
<p>You want a policy struck down, so you&#8217;re choosing a person who will choose another person who will then have to decide in concert with 8 others whether to strike that policy down or not. In the meantime, the person you&#8217;re choosing (the President) is making all the major choices for the nation, which includes equally &#8220;un-righteous&#8221; things, such as torturing prisoners, waging war, holding people hostage, etc.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court can only interpret the Constitution, they cannot add or subtract from it. In 1973 they established that limiting abortion was unconstitutional. If abortion is to be ended in the US, it isn&#8217;t so simple as picking the pro-life candidate. That has never worked. What would have to happen is a great majority of Americans would have to agree that the procedure is wrong, instead of being split.</p>
<p>Let me say that again: Americans would have to agree, in great majority, that abortion should be ended.</p>
<p>In a climate that is unfavorable to abortion, abortion would end. It might end in the form of Republican OR Democrat state legislators who are pro-life (because in this hypothetical situation the majority of Americans are pro-life, therefore the legislators would mirror their constituents). Those legislators would then simply amend the Constitution to say, &#8220;Life begins at conception,&#8221; or whatever wording works best. Or, the Federal Congress could mirror its hypothetical pro-life electorate and enact the process of creating an amendment. Remember, neither of these things involves the President or the Supreme Court, but both need a substantial majority of the population&#8217;s support.</p>
<p>In other words, persuasion and a common agreement are key, not the choice between McCain and Obama.</p>
<p>The more likely scenario is that we will, at some point soon, be at a point technologically that abortion will no longer be needed. You can use your imagination on how that might work, but I don&#8217;t think it is far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 06:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with James. While the president doesn&#039;t directly make decisions relating to abortion, he appoints the people who do. And the opinion of many experts is that there will be multiple opportunities to appoint a Supreme Court Justice during the next 4 years.

Your article has a lot of merit and is written logically, but the abortion point is slightly inaccurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with James. While the president doesn&#8217;t directly make decisions relating to abortion, he appoints the people who do. And the opinion of many experts is that there will be multiple opportunities to appoint a Supreme Court Justice during the next 4 years.</p>
<p>Your article has a lot of merit and is written logically, but the abortion point is slightly inaccurate.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 21:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Christians Don’t Vote for Democrats because Democrats are Pro-Choice.

Wrong. The President does not decide whether abortion is right or wrong. That choice is left to the courts.&lt;/i&gt;

The members of which are appointed by the President.  Now, I agree in general that the personal views of the President on the choice issue don&#039;t immediately translate into law, and as such shouldn&#039;t really be a central issue when deciding to vote, but with two or three Supreme Court justices likely to step down this term, keeping Roe v. Wade from being overturned by electing Obama was an important reason to vote for him.  Or against him, I guess, if you&#039;re one of the evangelicals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Christians Don’t Vote for Democrats because Democrats are Pro-Choice.</p>
<p>Wrong. The President does not decide whether abortion is right or wrong. That choice is left to the courts.</i></p>
<p>The members of which are appointed by the President.  Now, I agree in general that the personal views of the President on the choice issue don&#8217;t immediately translate into law, and as such shouldn&#8217;t really be a central issue when deciding to vote, but with two or three Supreme Court justices likely to step down this term, keeping Roe v. Wade from being overturned by electing Obama was an important reason to vote for him.  Or against him, I guess, if you&#8217;re one of the evangelicals.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From reading this I am pretty sure you know my family.  I wish they would actually read and understand this when I send them the link. This is a fantastic post. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From reading this I am pretty sure you know my family.  I wish they would actually read and understand this when I send them the link. This is a fantastic post. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your blog and apart from appreciating your faith and politics, your visuals are beautifully chosen/created.

My niece - a first time voter - grew up in a family of Yellow Dog Republicans, and - God bless her - we think she voted for Obama which is essentially heretical.  She is apparently speaking in code with our daughter via FB.  Anyway, thanks for this post.  It&#039;s being passed throughout our family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your blog and apart from appreciating your faith and politics, your visuals are beautifully chosen/created.</p>
<p>My niece &#8211; a first time voter &#8211; grew up in a family of Yellow Dog Republicans, and &#8211; God bless her &#8211; we think she voted for Obama which is essentially heretical.  She is apparently speaking in code with our daughter via FB.  Anyway, thanks for this post.  It&#8217;s being passed throughout our family.</p>
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		<title>By: Cori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FANTASTIC! If you don&#039;t mind, as I receive emails from friends/family about praying for our country now more than ever, and telling me to fly the American flag upside down (a sign of dire distress) I will simply reply with a link to your article. Thank you so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FANTASTIC! If you don&#8217;t mind, as I receive emails from friends/family about praying for our country now more than ever, and telling me to fly the American flag upside down (a sign of dire distress) I will simply reply with a link to your article. Thank you so much!</p>
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		<title>By: Hermenautic Circle blog &#187; Blue Designer, Red State</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hermenautic Circle blog &#187; Blue Designer, Red State</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Observer: Observed on 06 Nov 2008  How a blue designer in a red state explains his position to his Evangelical friends and family. [...]</description>
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